Phil likes making a wine that he will enjoying drinking, and thinks that winemakers who cater to their clientele do them a disservice. A good gauge of how well he is making wine is that he drinks a lot more of his own wine now than he used to.
He believes it's essential to get a good wine education, but knows the real learning begins in the vineyards. "If you really want to learn wine-making, go to a hands on school" like Cal Poly or Fresno he says.
Chris is a great storyteller. He shared a story with us about a lady who called him and said her parents had a vineyard in Hemet that needed harvesting. He loaded the truck with bins, buckets and miscellaneous tools and when he arrived at the property discovered "the vineyard" consisted of one vine.